Money Struggle
“Money is power.”
It’s been a long held belief that money has too much power in our day-to-day lives, and even more so in our relationships.
Very few of us think about our relationships in terms of who the “bread winner” is and who the “home maker” is. In fact, it is far more common for both partners in a relationship to hold jobs than it is for someone to be a “stay at home.”
See, back in the day a man was defined as a provider. As the provider he was head of the household, lord of the manor, and controlled the family’s income. (He could also beat his wife too, so don’t get to nostalgic.) Woman, on the other hand, was the fairer of the sexes, she was the one that made the house a home, and who would always look her man for support (usually in the financial way). Eventually things began to change, Men were needed for wars and women named Rosie began riveting. When the men came home they found something startling, the women actually liked working. The men felt their position as providers were threatened so they forced the women to go home and play house maker.
After years of a “pretty good thing,” the men preferred their women at home; they wanted their women to ask the “big strong man” for money to buy bras (and other girls stuff).
So naturally women set their bras on fire.
Time passed again. Women became more than just things that needed caring for, they were now earning money, working on careers, and living independently (they grow up so fast…).
Now a days the nature of relationships have changed, instead of provider and provide-e, couples are now partners. As with any business partnership each person must do a give and take when it comes to power and control. Unfortunately while a business partnership can have control distributed via skills and experience, relationships don’t work the same way.
Modern day relationships face this power struggle on a daily basis. Who decides what? Who has the final word? And most importantly, how will the money be spent? Many of us don’t think about it, but really, if you are with someone (with joint banking) and they make more money than you, who’s money are you spending? Consider this scenario:
Now this may seem trivial in the grand scheme of relationships, but is it really? Mrs. Smith essentially has no money of her own, with her living needs consuming the majority of her pay check anything she spends beyond that amount her Mr. Smith’s. Does this mean that if an issue arises in the house that Mr. Smith’s opinion on financial issues out weighs her opinion by two thirds? Furthermore, if Mrs. Smith decided to buy something for her self (we’ll say shoes) does she has to check if it’s ok? Does Mr. Smith need to check to see if it’s ok if he buys something (we’ll say golf clubs)?
This is where the arguments come in.
“How can you spend that much on shoes?”
“What do you need new golf clubs for?”
“Where did all my money go?”
“This is supposed to be our money!”
“You knew she was my sister!”
(Oh, wait, that last one was part of another diatribe…)
Of all the powers money has, one of it’s greatest is it’s influence over our independence. As humans we often define our independence by what we own and what we can do. Think back to when you first moved out (*waves hi to Randi*), remember your first big purchase? It was probably something like a sofa or a bed, but man, what an accomplishment. You knew that this was yours. You were an adult. No one could take it away from your and make you sleep on a pile of rags in the garage (*sniffle*). Yes, your meals consisted of ramen and bologna, and you probably washed your hair with dish soap, but it was all you.
As you all know, when “I” becomes “We” there are certain freedoms that are lost, there is a lot of conflict in regards to power. There are now two opinions on how your life will pan out, and of course, money.
The power struggle, much like a shark, exists regardless if you can see it at the surface or below. Even if each partner makes equal amounts of money, how it is spent is always an issue.
The only known solutions are either to:
(A): Devote your lives to poverty (you don’t fight over money, but you do over food)
(B): Join a cult (insert marriage joke here)
(D): Keep your accounts separate.
From these “solutions” option D provides the most mobility (not much of a future in poverty). In option D the majority of expenses can be divided evenly (think of a roommate situation), naturally the person who earns more will proportionally pay more, but for the most part there will be a balance on the expenses.
You may be thinking to your self “so how would that handle the Christmas situation?”
Well, (you cheap bastard) the Christmas situation would be modified for the economic situation with a budget in play. With the finances divided, a “gift budget” makes it where there are no awkward feelings of “you got me better gifts” or “this is all I got? You cheap prick…”
The way a gift budget would work goes as follows:
1. Both partners in the relationship decide on a fair budget. This can be done by picking an amount that each person would feel comfortable spending. $100, $200… (It’s the thought that counts)
2. Once the amount is set (let’s say $100) both partners try and buy the best present(s) they can with in the budget (no cheating!)
3. Gifts are exchanged and there are no thoughts as to who spent more (it’s safe to assume that you both spent up to the budget).
Some may say that the “gift budget” idea cheapens the idea of gift giving, but reality it embodies it. After all, the idea behind giving a gift isn’t about how much you spent; it’s about how much you care. But what messages are being exchanged if you buy your partner a watch and they buy you a car?
Money often has so much power over us that relationships seem to mold themselves around it. If we remove that power we are free to engage our selves without threat upon our (financial) independence. This does mean that some guys will have to more than just simply buy a woman’s affections, and this does mean that some women will have to pay for majority of their meals. But in the end, there will be a guideline to create a balance in the partnership that is a relationship.
Of course, there’s always the option “D,” Stay single and pay for hookers. (Money can’t buy love, but it can rent it.)
Exile
Original_exile@hotmail.com
It’s been a long held belief that money has too much power in our day-to-day lives, and even more so in our relationships.
Very few of us think about our relationships in terms of who the “bread winner” is and who the “home maker” is. In fact, it is far more common for both partners in a relationship to hold jobs than it is for someone to be a “stay at home.”
See, back in the day a man was defined as a provider. As the provider he was head of the household, lord of the manor, and controlled the family’s income. (He could also beat his wife too, so don’t get to nostalgic.) Woman, on the other hand, was the fairer of the sexes, she was the one that made the house a home, and who would always look her man for support (usually in the financial way). Eventually things began to change, Men were needed for wars and women named Rosie began riveting. When the men came home they found something startling, the women actually liked working. The men felt their position as providers were threatened so they forced the women to go home and play house maker.
After years of a “pretty good thing,” the men preferred their women at home; they wanted their women to ask the “big strong man” for money to buy bras (and other girls stuff).
So naturally women set their bras on fire.
Time passed again. Women became more than just things that needed caring for, they were now earning money, working on careers, and living independently (they grow up so fast…).
Now a days the nature of relationships have changed, instead of provider and provide-e, couples are now partners. As with any business partnership each person must do a give and take when it comes to power and control. Unfortunately while a business partnership can have control distributed via skills and experience, relationships don’t work the same way.
Modern day relationships face this power struggle on a daily basis. Who decides what? Who has the final word? And most importantly, how will the money be spent? Many of us don’t think about it, but really, if you are with someone (with joint banking) and they make more money than you, who’s money are you spending? Consider this scenario:
Mr. & Mrs. Smith both have jobs. Mrs. Smith earns 1/3 or what Mr. Smith does, with gas, food and so on, her pay is virtually spent on her basic living needs. When Christmas roles around and she buys a present for Mr. Smith, will she be spending her money, or his money on the present she will buy?
Now this may seem trivial in the grand scheme of relationships, but is it really? Mrs. Smith essentially has no money of her own, with her living needs consuming the majority of her pay check anything she spends beyond that amount her Mr. Smith’s. Does this mean that if an issue arises in the house that Mr. Smith’s opinion on financial issues out weighs her opinion by two thirds? Furthermore, if Mrs. Smith decided to buy something for her self (we’ll say shoes) does she has to check if it’s ok? Does Mr. Smith need to check to see if it’s ok if he buys something (we’ll say golf clubs)?
This is where the arguments come in.
“How can you spend that much on shoes?”
“What do you need new golf clubs for?”
“Where did all my money go?”
“This is supposed to be our money!”
“You knew she was my sister!”
(Oh, wait, that last one was part of another diatribe…)
Of all the powers money has, one of it’s greatest is it’s influence over our independence. As humans we often define our independence by what we own and what we can do. Think back to when you first moved out (*waves hi to Randi*), remember your first big purchase? It was probably something like a sofa or a bed, but man, what an accomplishment. You knew that this was yours. You were an adult. No one could take it away from your and make you sleep on a pile of rags in the garage (*sniffle*). Yes, your meals consisted of ramen and bologna, and you probably washed your hair with dish soap, but it was all you.
As you all know, when “I” becomes “We” there are certain freedoms that are lost, there is a lot of conflict in regards to power. There are now two opinions on how your life will pan out, and of course, money.
The power struggle, much like a shark, exists regardless if you can see it at the surface or below. Even if each partner makes equal amounts of money, how it is spent is always an issue.
The only known solutions are either to:
(A): Devote your lives to poverty (you don’t fight over money, but you do over food)
(B): Join a cult (insert marriage joke here)
(D): Keep your accounts separate.
From these “solutions” option D provides the most mobility (not much of a future in poverty). In option D the majority of expenses can be divided evenly (think of a roommate situation), naturally the person who earns more will proportionally pay more, but for the most part there will be a balance on the expenses.
You may be thinking to your self “so how would that handle the Christmas situation?”
Well, (you cheap bastard) the Christmas situation would be modified for the economic situation with a budget in play. With the finances divided, a “gift budget” makes it where there are no awkward feelings of “you got me better gifts” or “this is all I got? You cheap prick…”
The way a gift budget would work goes as follows:
1. Both partners in the relationship decide on a fair budget. This can be done by picking an amount that each person would feel comfortable spending. $100, $200… (It’s the thought that counts)
2. Once the amount is set (let’s say $100) both partners try and buy the best present(s) they can with in the budget (no cheating!)
3. Gifts are exchanged and there are no thoughts as to who spent more (it’s safe to assume that you both spent up to the budget).
Some may say that the “gift budget” idea cheapens the idea of gift giving, but reality it embodies it. After all, the idea behind giving a gift isn’t about how much you spent; it’s about how much you care. But what messages are being exchanged if you buy your partner a watch and they buy you a car?
Money often has so much power over us that relationships seem to mold themselves around it. If we remove that power we are free to engage our selves without threat upon our (financial) independence. This does mean that some guys will have to more than just simply buy a woman’s affections, and this does mean that some women will have to pay for majority of their meals. But in the end, there will be a guideline to create a balance in the partnership that is a relationship.
Of course, there’s always the option “D,” Stay single and pay for hookers. (Money can’t buy love, but it can rent it.)
Exile
Original_exile@hotmail.com
38 Comments:
if you love someone, money is just some papers you use to buy things, like monopoly money. so, who has more papers will use them to get stuffs. i do not mind buying a car for a present while he gets me a purse. i will feel just as happy. what i want is his love. true love.
By mistipurple, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:32:00 PM
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By Ghetto Photo Girl, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:08:00 PM
Word. Then again, there's a reason for pre-nups.
Quick aside: a few years ago, I was working a really high-paying (at the time) job, while my friend B was off jerking around, riding around in his dad's Porsche without a care in the world. We went to lunch in Simi Valley, which is kind of like Lake Elsinore (if you know what I'm sayin'). Here was this white kid with a Porsche and a hispanic chick at his side. He looks at me and says "everyone in here thinks you're my poor spic girlfriend."
My response: yeah, and nobody would guess that I make hell of a LOT more money than you do.
Even so, he paid for lunch. ;)
By Ghetto Photo Girl, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:46:00 PM
my wife simply says "you bought me a necklace, it's very nice, pick it up from the jewlers on the 22nd."
works for me, I hate shopping.
By SkookumJoe, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:47:00 PM
misti- very true, but what about the opposite? what if he "out shines" you?
exo- i guess you cleaned up on lunch, very spic & span.
a fool and his money..
skook- yeah, just dont' try that on your end of things. "for my birthday you brough me a blonde, she's up stairs..."
By exile, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:01:00 PM
Before crazy rumors start flying let me clarify:
*I lived on my own for 8 yrs, moved back for 2 and am back on my own (waves back)
*Big purchase this time? My fridge.
*My mom doesn't work and she buys my dad outlandishly expensive gifts... with his own money.
And there you have it.
By Randi, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:22:00 PM
randi-
*i was just sass'n ya about the moving thing
*kudos on the fridge, stainless steel?
*that's awsome that your parents found a way to make said system work. the settled the strugle.
By exile, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:37:00 PM
Money is apparently one of the biggest and/or most common fights couples will have.
We solved it by having a joint account where a % of what we make goes in it (depending on what we earn..so its fair for who makes more) and then we each have our own separate accounts for "fun money" (ie: gifts and in my case: shoes).
When we do argue about it, I take some of 'our' money and buy a kinky sex toy and we have mad sex. Cuz sex fixes everything :P
I kid. Kind of.
Great post by the way.
By Sassy, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:43:00 PM
Legally, this is taken care of by the community property concept within a marriage, and also the idea that any raises in income for one person after the marriage are shared by both parties (Jim-Bob made more as a doctor becaus Sue-Ellen washed his underwear every other night).
And budgets are good things.
By Ontario Emperor, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:05:00 PM
So, a friend of mine is married to a woman who now stay at home. She's been an at-home mom for a long time now...she brings in no moneyl. Literally has to ask the hubby for a few bucks here and there and he usually questions her to now end. "Why do you need a $20 for that?" It's really pretty cruel but he's a wordsmith and does tend to justify it somehow. She goes on ebay and sells things (which she bought with the money he gave her) in order to generate a christmas fund. She says that she doesn't want to spend his money on his gifts...but whatever she just sold on ebay, was originally bought with "his" money. So, she is defeated either way. She should just get a damn job!!!
By Sheri, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:18:00 PM
sassy- i love seeing when i'm right (taking credit for your marriage in some bizzare way.) i think it's great that you've taken so much power away from money, good for you.
OE- budgets rock! it makes things so much better (and funner)
yeah, the whole "she supports him through med school" thing only works one way.
sheri- very true, but when someone gives you a gift that is "free money" that is a transfer of money. the thing with your friend is she decided to not work, so she's agreed to any terms he's set for money.
By exile, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:34:00 PM
he might view things differently then. or even many other shes would feel different from how i feel. perhaps that is why i am who i am. lol.
By mistipurple, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:17:00 PM
misti- and you're just down right wonderful, so what ever it is you may be, stay that way.
By exile, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:21:00 PM
It would be nice not to have to work and just have a man that takes care of everything. Especially if he were Greek.
But I'd feel funny not having the independence that my own income brings. Damn my parents for making me so fucking independent!
So I could never have a sugar daddy...for longer than a couple of years. :)
By Ghetto Photo Girl, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:37:00 PM
Holy shit I've missed a lot of your posts... I hate it when that happens. But I'm on vacation so I'll catch up when I'm back at work. (shhh... don't tell anyone I said that!)
xoxoxoox
By Shora, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:27:00 PM
exo- damn parents... although, they did increase your dateability. i mean, the clingy "buy my love" girls are pathetic.
shora- wow, a shora comment at 11:41pm (2:41 canada time). i can't wait to have you go back to work so you can slack off again.
By exile, at Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:47:00 PM
love ya.. *blush*
By mistipurple, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:27:00 AM
Money..........blah!!
By Anonymous, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:36:00 AM
Okay, a stay at home mom may not make any money, but she's raising your fucking kids. She's running and cleaning and cooking for your fucking household. You should buy your own Christmas gift for her sake. Would you rather some stranger that makes $6.50 an hour and has zero college education or possibly just a GED raise your child. Think about that for a minute before you tell some stay at home mom to get a job...hello...she already has one.
That being said...money is a power struggle sometimes. But, at the end of the day I'm the one with the pussy...if you want the pussy maybe you should be copping up for dinner.
No, really, if I ask you to dinner...I'm gonna pay...if you ask me to dinner I'm expecting you to pay...at first. As time rolls along I think the 50/50 thing works out great. I've never really dated anybody that made that much more money than me, so it's never really been a problem. In fact, I make more money than most of the men I've dated and I know this so I tend to pay for more things on my part. Whatever it is...it is definitely a delicate balance.
By Mackenzie, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:49:00 AM
misti- big hugs for moisti
steve- "if it's true that 'the more money you have, the more problems' then why are poor people happy?"
BV- that's why you hire an immigrant from mexico to rais your children (welcome to southern california).
acctually i didnt' say that a stay at home mom should get a job. what i'm saying is that with all the work she has to do around the house she is still dependant on her husband for money. it's almost as if she's an indentured servant. (working for room and board)
as for the "i'm the one with the pussy" if buying you dinner is eseentially buy sex, then doesn't that kinda make you a hooker? in that case can i super size your combo for a BJ? (hehehe)
i agree, if you ask someone out, you should pay the first time. after that it should be 50/50. i usually work the 50/50 angle as takeing turns. that way if one person makes mor they can pick the more expensive place on their turn.
By exile, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:55:00 AM
Yeah, I think taking turns is usually the best way to do it. Some men don't like for women to pay...I've run into that as well. If it makes him feel better I just let him pay.
Yes, you may supersize to a BJ for an extra $.49.
By Mackenzie, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:05:00 AM
Oh, and I know you didn't say it...someone else did. It's just a touchy subject to me.
I'm well educated and completely independent, but I still know the upside of being a stay at home mother. The early childcare industry in this country sucks big ass. I know this b/c I work for a nonprofit that has huge "interests" in this subject. That's all I was harping about. I'm sort of in the "know".
By Mackenzie, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:07:00 AM
BV- yeah, i have no ego on the subject, as long as it's balance i'm ok. (i cant' do the sugar momma).
i personally think that stay at home moms should be regarded as a profession, it's just a shame regarding the finaincial aspect of things (for the most part)
By exile, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:24:00 AM
Sean and I have talked about htis before. Some friends of ours do the divide your money thing even though they're married and they go as far as "can I borrow money for gas".. I think that's crazy.
I only work part time and barely bring home a hundred bucks a week whereas he brings home enough to pay all the bills.. Yet that doesn't make our home or any of our things any more his than they are mine. I stay home and take care of our daughter, and clean and cook and then go to work 2 nights a week. This makes it even and everything here is just as much mine as it is his. Just because one person makes more money than the other doesn't mean they contribute anymore to the family, it just means they got luckier and get paid more. Bottom line. If Sean ever tried that "I work, this is mine" crap with me... we wouldn't last much longer. Marriage is about a union, that means that everyhting one has belongs to the other equally and if you see it any other way than that, you sholdn't be married.
=)
Sorry it's been so long since I stopped by... computer was on the fritz again.
By Robyn, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:33:00 AM
robyn- (i have an odd feeling that this post is being taken as an attack against stay at home moms)
i guess the way to look at it is this: do you look at the money he earns as yours? do you look at the money you earn as his?
as a parent the money you earn is spent on your child (and often by your child) so is your money theirs?
this post was based a great deal on the concept of ownership. as humans we like to own things, this is where the difficulty emerges. the focus of the post was to show how money can take way independence via ownership.
By exile, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:12:00 AM
Exile - I didn't look at it as an attack until I read another comment. Your post did not make me think that at all. Your post was more about dating than it was about marriage. Things change after to get married. Then, everything is yours and everything is mine.
By Mackenzie, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:41:00 PM
Also, I think people look at it from their own standpoint. You and I are not married so we look at things from a singles point of view where other people look at the world from their point of view which may be different.
By Mackenzie, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:43:00 PM
money is power. it shouldn't be, but it is. the whole world is fighting because of it. people are fighting because of it. money stinks. and i want more of it. not for power, but for survival.
i could have been better off (rich is such a dirty word), if i can change the way i think. but happiness had a lot to do with my brain waves, and i choose the happier way, and be poorer off. (poor is an equally dirty word.)
at the end of the day, i do look back and wonder if i could have chose the 'easier' way and mingled with the right crowd, especially on days when i'm struggling hard.
i don't think so.
i think i am made a church mouse at heart. rich at heart! but truly truly in need of a cheese at times.
By mistipurple, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:07:00 PM
BV- very true, i guess my only experience is from watching married couples. those that fight and those that don't.
misti- i suppose we all could do more for the money, sell more of our selves for the gain. "poor men sleep because of exhaustion, rich men dont' sleep out of guilt"
By exile, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:10:00 PM
they don't? good good. nice to know that life is fair after all.
By mistipurple, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:18:00 PM
opps. why am i awake at this time then? (5.20am)
By mistipurple, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:19:00 PM
misti- yeah, why are you awake at 5:20 am? are you on a singapore swing-shift?
By exile, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:24:00 PM
i am on a swing.
By mistipurple, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:33:00 PM
misti- a swing in your cage?
By exile, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:38:00 PM
our cage.
By mistipurple, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:49:00 PM
Sean and I both see any money earned in our household as "our" money. We take what we need for bills out and the rest is what "we" spend on whatever. Everything between us is equal and we both agree with it and it works out great for us. =)
Like I told you in email... I think people like to be pissed off, and other peopls blogs are a great place to show yourself off.
By Robyn, at Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:27:00 PM
robyn- i think that's awsome, what i wonder is if you know just how rare what you have is. but then again, you're married and still have sex with eachother, so you definately know how rare your relationship is. hehehe.
yeah, i know what you mean about people being pissed (trust me), but i think anyone that would be offended by anything i write have long since left. after all, i use the word fuck (a lot.)
By exile, at Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:17:00 AM
Enjoyed a lot! »
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